Colle system always has at the back of its mind the bishop sac at h7. King Indian formation takes the sting out of that. The pawn push to e4/e5 is important to White, so make it important to you too. Do you lose these games in the opening or later? It may not be the fault of your opening play, Colle is not a King Gambit type aggressive opening and as Black you should know what to expect, that's why they call it a "system", right? 🙂
A good simple answer was given by korch recently here : Thread 66186, and here too : Thread 90913
(i think he might be fed up of repeating so i take over !)
Simple to remember : as white does not pressure black's center with c4, you don't need to shut your bishop in with e6, so you play it to f5 where it deprives white's good bishop of his best square, or you exchange it.
Originally posted by Heroic MetoolI agree with you that after 1 d4 c5, that 2...cxd4 after either 2 e3 or 2 c3 is relatively pleasant for Black. But that move order for Black means that s/he has to not only know how play against the Exchange Slav and the Exchange Caro-Kann, but also how to play the Black side of the Benoni if White plays 2 d5!.
When I know my opponent plays those systems, I always play 1 ... c5 in response to d4, then 2 ... cxd4 after either 2. c3 or 2. e3, transposing to the Caro-Kann or Slav Exchange. That pretty much solves all black's problems.
Originally posted by c guy1One of the advantages of the London System over the Colle System is that the London is playable against virtually all reasonable Black setups. As a rule, the Colle is effective only when Black plays 1...d5 and then entombs his QB with ...e7-e6. After 1...f5, The Colle is out of the question because the thematic e3-e4 break is stopped for a long time, if not forever. However, since the London doesn't require the e3-e4 break, White can play 2 Bf4 and then 3 e3 with a good game.
....or you could just take white out of book by playing the Dutch: 1...f5. As an occasional colle system player, I know that the Dutch definantly took me out of book.
White can of course do better, since 1 d4 f5 2 e4!!! (the Staunton Gambit) is crushing! 🙂
Originally posted by robbie carrobie1 b3 g6 2 Bb2 Bg7??? 3 Bxg7 c5
I read somewhere that black can play g6, Bg7, c5 against anything that white plays, mmm, it seems like a kind of hybrid Benoni, Sicilian dragon type thing, i wonder if it would work. 😀
Just thought I'd point out that it doesn't work against everything! 🙂
But all seriousness aside (as the late Steve Allen used to say), that system seems quite intriguing and I'll try it out in some blitz games.
Originally posted by gaychessplayeryes you are correct gaychess player dude, it would not work against 1.b3 or against 1.b4, however against all other things its infallible !😀
1 b3 g6 2 Bb2 Bg7??? 3 Bxg7 c5
Just thought I'd point out that it doesn't work against everything! 🙂
But all seriousness aside (as the late Steve Allen used to say), that system seems quite intriguing and I'll try it out in some blitz games.